LOOKING SHARP!
By Madeline Bocaro ©
I interviewed Joe Jackson for CMJ in June 1979 upon the release of his debut album, Look Sharp. His album was fantastic, so I was happy to talk to Joe in New York City. I had just been shopping at Bloomingdales where they were featuring a polka-dot department at the time. Knowing Joe’s preference for polka-dot shirts and ties, I told him about it – so after our interview, I brought him there. (Also see my review of the album below).
Joe Jackson was excited on the afternoon of his sold-out Bottom Line gig in New York City. Already eight days into his American tour, reaction has been overwhelming. As we sat in A&M Records’ New York office, Joe jokingly explained his concept of ‘spiv rock’.
JJ: A spiv is a small time British gangster like in the movies of the 50s; the guy with a penciled moustache and a ratty face, and a gross tie with a pin-striped jacket. He’s always got half a dozen watches up his arm. I thought, since people always try to categorize you, I’ll invent a category of my own. The only word to describe the way I looked was a ‘spiv’. It’s a silly image that I thought appalling. It’s not intended to be a new musical revolution.
It may not be a revolution, but Joe Jackson’s debut LP Look Sharp is a knockout. Joe’s musical training took place at England’s Royal Academy, where he emerged with a degree in percussion. After a year at the Academy, he turned toward rock n’ roll as a musical pursuit.
JJ: Rock N’ Roll was always there in the back of my mind. I grew up with the Beatles, Stones and the kinks and always really loved all that stuff. I was interested in many kinds of music when at the Academy – I would listen to everything – jazz, classical, avant-garde. Then I just narrowed it down to what I really enjoyed.
By playing piano in a cabaret, Joe raised the money to independently record his own album. While working as musical director at the Playboy Club, he realized that the pop-rock band he was with at the time (Arms & Legs) was getting nowhere.
MB: Were there any really hard times for you?
JJ: Oh yeah. I’ve lived on five quid a week. I don’t know how I survived really, but I managed somehow. They were desperate times, but I was determined that I’d rather not earn any money and starve than work in a factory. I can’t imagine anything worse than that, except maybe working in a supermarket.
MB: Which you have done.
JJ: Yeah, but only for a few days. I never held a job like that for more than that. I just couldn’t handle it.
MB:You have a great deal of determination. What made you so confident?
JJ: I don’t really know. I suppose it must be ego. I knew I could never do a 9 to 5 job. I was determined to do something I really enjoyed – an outlet for my energies and frustrations.
MB: You and your band toured the London club circuit prior to the album’s release. How well were you received?
JJ: Very well, actually. At first people couldn’t quite make up their minds, but it got better fairly rapidly.
MB: How do you feel about the many comparisons made between you and Elvis Costello or Graham Parker?
When people first started comparing me to Elvis Costello, I thought it was fair enough – they’ve got to compare me to someone. But then it continued a bit too long and I got really pissed off. Then I got bored with it, and now I’m getting annoyed with it again. It’s just that there’s no one else they can compare me to. It’s a very superficial comparison, I think. If you’ve ever met Costello, you’d see that we’re two totally different people. I find him pretty offensive. Graham Parker I really like. I think he’s very genuine. I don’t think Costello is.
MB: Reggae music is a strong influence and plays an important role on Look Sharp.
JJ: Early Bob Marley turned me on to that, then I got more and more into it, and over the past few years I’ve been totally immersed in it. If I put on a record at home, nine out of ten times it’s a reggae record.
MB: An exciting thing about Look Sharp is that it sounds so spontaneous. Was it?
JJ: Yeah, it was. A lot of the tracks are first takes and there are no overdubs, though we think now it is a bit thin. We wanted a bit more live band sort of sound. In retrospect you always feel there’s something you can improve on. Next time ‘round we’ll feature the guitar a bit more.
MB: Will there be any American college tours?
JJ: It may be a possibility. There must be a lot of people who want us to play. It would be good, I think. We’ve done a lot of college gigs in England and we were received pretty well. I’m really surprised the album’s doing as well as it is. I’m really pleased. I had no idea when I was recording that people over here would go crazy over it. It’s funny ‘cause people say to me, “Your music is a bit American oriented, surely you had this in mind when recording.” Well, of course I didn’t. I’m English and I don’t know what people want to hear in America. I just sorta write the songs, you know, and it’s really nice that people like them.
MB: What difference have you found between English and American audiences?
JJ: A lot of people say that American audiences are dull, but I think it’s just arrogance. I enjoy it equally, but it’s just different. In England the audiences are more intense – more violent. People over here are really enthusiastic, more appreciative. I’ve been really pleased.
MB: What are your future plans?
JJ: We’ve got most of the songs for the next album well under way. We’re gonna start on it in July. Compared to the first album, I think it’s a bit more mature. It’s getting more interesting as it goes along. The band is getting stronger. I think the band is gonna amaze people on the next album. They’re all mates of mine, sort of hand-picked.
Joe Jackson’s Bottom Line shows were sellouts, Look Sharp is selling like hot-cakes in the USA and in England,
…and polka-dots are back in style. Who could ask for anything more?
Album review:
Joe Jackson – Look Sharp
By Madeline Bocaro ©
On Look Sharp, his debut album on A&M Records, Joe Jackson establishes himself as a strong new force on today’s pop scene. Each cut has that ‘instant pop single’ quality; two of which are receiving considerable airplay: “Is She Really Going Out with Him?” and the racy- post-punk “Got the Time”. Jackson’s sound reflects the early British Invasion, and its quick one-two punch is comparable to the first two albums by the Jam. However, Jackson’s material is not a rip-off in any way. It’s all fresh, slick and polished. His originality emerges in the rhythm changes and in the dominant syncopation throughout the album. Jackson’s lyrics are definitely a sign of the times. “Baby Stick Around” sums up the pogo dancing craze:
“Pushing and shoving in sweat, black leather
Up and down we go chained together.”
“Pretty Girls” is a catchy one, with its updated funky “doo-do waps” Look Sharp is as sharp as the winklepicker shoes on the album cover. It’s mod, it’s chic, it’s then, it’s now!
No way! You know that “Real Men” was such an underrated song oh – wrong album. But I love “Is She Really Going Out With Him” A spiv! Ha! Graham Parker – remember “Temporary Beauty?”
I can’t believe you go to see all these cool performers. Great interview! Loved it!
JEE
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Aw, he was hard on EC. I’m assuming he’s altered that opinion over the years.